Guns and Cops
Police and Law Enforcement News
Monday, February 11, 2008 9:30 a.m.
It’s no secret
within the law enforcement community that we do not have a friend in the
newspaper The Bergen Record. Over the years we’ve
taken a lot of hits from both their editorial pages and their
It’s demoralizing and even disheartening
especially to those officers who truly give their all to this noble
the writers don’t stray beyond their expertise. Last month, however, a
column was published in the Bergen Record that went on a rant
about municipal law enforcement agencies, specifically the Wayne Police
Department, having MP5 submachine guns.
Below is an
excerpt from the column:
No one wants
police to be armed with squirt guns or slingshots. But an MP5 submachine
Navy Seals carry
MP5s. So do soldiers in the Army's elite Delta Force and Britain's
counter-terrorist Special Air Service. The German-made MP5 is a
rapid-fire gun, equipped with a clip that can hold 15 or 30 bullets.
It's also small and light enough for the kind of parachute or underwater
attacks that special operations soldiers excel in.
Why would a bunch
of suburban cops need a gun like that?
Okay, the MP5
looks cool -- that's what gun lovers say, anyway. And, yes, the MP5 is
definitely scary and probably intimidating to crooks.
But Wayne is not
When it comes to
crime and violence, Wayne is not in the same realm as Newark or
Paterson. Indeed, Wayne was named by CNN in 2005 as one of America's
"safest" places to live and by Money magazine in 2006 as one of the
nation's "best places" to raise a family.
experts rightly point out that cops never know what sort of mayhem will
emerge in even the most placid of places. Consider the mass murders at
various schools in recent years. In almost every case, the killings took
place in suburban or rural towns.
So experts say it
makes sense for cops to have powerful weaponry they can fetch in an
But when it comes
to guns, cops walk a fine line, too. Yes, they need to defend
themselves. But they don't need to be Rambo.
decades, far too many suburban police departments have nurtured a
bizarre addiction to SWAT teams -- their weaponry, uniforms and tactics.
The irony is that the growth of suburban SWAT units and their high-tech
weapons came at a time when citizens were crying out for cops to get out
of their cars more often and engage in face-to-face, non-threatening
No matter. Almost
every town in northern New Jersey dispatched police to SWAT training and
then equipped them with military-style helmets, military machine guns
and even military night-vision goggles and camouflage uniforms.
Yes, you heard
that right: camouflage in the suburbs. Who are we kidding?
Click here to read the entire column.
Now, where should
we even begin?
We could write a
piece explaining how weapons are like tools, and we need to use the
right tool for the right job. An MP5 is very different than an M-4 or a
shotgun, and we select the appropriate weapon based on the situation for
which it is needed.
Or, we could
point out the North Hollywood Shooting where 2 civilians with the right
weapons took on 350 police officers with the wrong weapons and managed
to drop 11 police officers and 7 citizens before being stopped.
bring up Columbine where we learned that we can no longer wait for SWAT
active shooter situations. First responding officers must act
immediately and have the weapons to do so.
While we’re on
Columbine we could remind readers that the very same media that now
label us as Rambo-esque, crucified the first
responders at Columbine for, amongst other things, not being properly prepared.
But I think it
would be a waste of time to address this criticism of us using any of the above
You see, for as
much as this column excoriates our profession and paints us as
half-witted, unbalanced cowboys looking for cool toys, I don’t
think columns like these are truly about tactics or crime or guns.
Columns like these
are about a hatred of cops.
Maybe hatred is
too strong of a word, but it we’ll leave it for now.
Just look at the
tone in the last sentence:
“Yes, you heard
that right: camouflage in the suburbs. Who are we kidding?”
If not clothing
designed to blend in with the landscape, what exactly should one wear to a combat situation?
This column is
representative of a segment of our society that we will never be able to
please no matter what we do. To them, we are a necessary evil and just
Sadly, there are
very few who write on our behalf, and there is very little effort to
balance what is printed, so this is what is fed to the public on an
almost daily basis around the nation.
editorial writers sit comfortably out of harms way on the sidelines just
waiting an easy shot. A cherry
picked fact, a nice twist, and a bit of cleverness make for a great
piece and policemen and policewomen make great targets.
And, sure, they’ll
be there when one of us falls to grab some of the drama of the event or
the aftermath or even the funeral. These too all make for great
writing, great columns.
And they'll be
sure to point out that while the death of the officer is a tragedy, it was part of
I’m not sure what
we did to bring this resentment upon ourselves or even if we did
anything at all.
But, I do know
that we lie down and take shots like this way too much.
As far as the
writer comparing or contrasting police combat to military combat, Sir, a bullet
fired in Wayne, Ringwood, or Totowa travels no slower than a bullet
fired in Fallujah, Kandahar, or Mogadishu.
And, to the
officers of the Wayne Police Department: you are a well respected
agency. This is nothing but a bump in the road. Keep up the good work.
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Monday, February 11, 2008 9:30 a.m.
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I'm a deputy in southern Ohio.
We patrol a county with 500 square miles. Usually 3 deputies
split up the county on each shift if we are lucky. I carry a
Remington 700 308 sniper rifle ..a car-15..45 auto, an MP 40, a 12
gauge Benelli and a 38 back up on my vest. If I could carry a
bazooka I would The author of the first statement on this
particular blog has apparently never had to go up some hollows at
night where you know the people are that are waiting on you or
having to check out a school alarm by yourself knowing your back up
is miles and many many minutes away. I can't see the
difference of going room to room clearing a building here in
southern Ohio or as a soldier looking for enemy combatants.
Point is...I'm going to carry as much firepower as i can just in
case I need it. After I watched the Los Angeles shoot out, I
vowed never to be out gunned. So far I've made good on it.
Stay safe to you all
Sorry guys no matter what the press
tells you, we aren't at "War" here. You cops are civilians just the
same as me. I'm a veteran, ex-cop etc...and I don't agree that you
guys need automatic weapons any more than I do.
And this statement sickens me...
"If not clothing designed to blend in
with the landscape, what exactly should one wear to a combat
You guys aren't the military, you are
peace officers, public servants, not soldiers. Soldiers go to
combat...not cops. Change your mindset, and maybe the public will
change it's perception.
NJLawman.com Response: Sir, no one claimed we were at war.
We're not sure to what you are referring with that little ditty.
You also said, "I
don't agree that you guys need automatic weapons any more than I
respond to calls of shots fired? Do you respond to calls of
crimes in progress? Do you respond to calls of crimes being
committed by armed career criminals or gang members?
And, why would the
statement about wearing camouflage sicken you? If a SWAT team
is being called out to a combat situation, what would you expect
them to wear? We thought that wearing attire which would
provide a tactical advantage and enhance officer safety would make
sense. We would love to hear your recommendation.
Finally, yes, police officers are public
servants and not soldiers. But, there are times when police
officers go to combat. That is just a fact of life. Get
So, instead of jumping in front
of your computer to come
up with a witty and dominating response, here's a suggestion: sit
down and grab your checkbook, write a donation check to your nearest
PBA or FOP local, attend the next funeral for a fallen police
officer and say a prayer for him or her, and begin writing letters
to newspapers supporting your local police department.
If the whole combat thing is
still bothering you,
visit this site. As of this writing, there are 19,288 men
and women who will also disagree with you.
By the way, your statement, "You
cops are civilians just the same as me."
Not even close.
Don't bite the hand that feeds you. If
you want to waste the budget on stupid tools that you don't need
that's fine. But money doesn't come from nowhere. I'd rather have
sufficient equipment and well paid police officers instead of
extravagant equipment and low paid (low quality) police officers.
Some further info as to why a police
department would decide to utilize MP5s: As police officers we need
to qualify with our duty weapon twice per year (which I think should
be raised to 4 times per year and include drills/training as part of
the qualification). Those of us that carry M-4 rifles must qualify 4
times per year. Because the MP5 uses the same 9mm ammunition that
our duty weapons use we only need to qualify 2 times per year. The
MP5 also isn't as expensive as an M-4 rifle. That said a police
department might view it as a cost savings both in equipment and
overtime expense (2 less qualifications per year) to carry the MP5
vs carrying the M-4. Just my 2 cents.
Mr. Kelly, police officers in this
country don't get paid for what they do, we get paid for what we
might have to do... The next time you put on a uniform, strap on a
weapon, go out on patrol and respond to burglar alarms, domestic
violence calls, calls for service and etc. Then you can tell me what
it's like to be a police officer, but for now stick to what you know
and that's writing about what you don't know... You're clueless
about what me and my brother and sister police officers across this
country do on a daily basis.
-Central Jersey Cop #199
Well I guess you just would not
understand unless you were a police officer. These days guns even
more powerful than an MP5's are readily available on the streets and
to drug dealers. The regular service weapons like Glock 40's are no
match for these high powered rifles. That being said I think every
town should have a few assault rifles on hand when needed. We live
in a different world today people...Wake Up.
Typical liberal NJ style of thinking.
You wonder why NJ is in the shape it's in.
Politics and liberal left wing
thinking are distracting everyone from day to day reality based
functions. Comparing Wayne to Ringwood? There is no
comparison, demographically, geographically, politically, in
population density, square mileage, or crime rate. Ringwood is small
and run like the small town it is, Wayne is an almost city and run
like an almost city. Granted crime is down in Wayne but that's not
because of the politicians. The local uniformed police have
more to do with the drop or reduction in crime then any other
factor, so give them the tools they need to the job.
Dekalb , Illinois. A University town
not unlike Wayne, NJ. Gunman kills 5 and then kills himself in a
large lecture hall with 162 students present.
I'll bet any one of those student and
their families would disagree the (Writer?) of that editorial. As
would the victims & families of every other university, high school,
middle/ junior high school, elementary school and mall shooting
victims. (Wayne has malls too) I up in Hackensack, NJ reading the
Upon growing up and reading the many
other quality papers available, I have learned long ago that the
Record is sorely lacking in talent in many areas. That horrible
editorial proves it. By the way, the MP5 is a sub machine gun that
fires a 9mm round. the same size round that any 9mm pistol fires.
(That writer?) should learn about weapons and their purpose before
condemning those of us who strap them on and risk life and limb to
protect his safety and freedoms which he so obviously takes for
Mike Kelly has been bashing police
departments and cops for years. This is not the first bad article he
has written so nobody that has been on the job for years should be
shocked. He is a total idiot and never gets his facts straight
before writing his articles.
-North NJ Cop
It's obvious by the article, the
journalists with the Record have no clue about the Police Community
being able to deal with the unexpected in society.
-Been to Baghdad.
-Been to fallujah.
Still a cop
Bullets don't descriminate depending
on the part of the world your in. In my opinion you can never have
enough firepower. Good job Wayne PD, I wish my dept. had the guts
to get some more firepower. Longest recorded kill with a 9mm
handgun- Army special forces Afghanistan- 75 meter head shot (had to
get lucky on that one). Longest recorded kill with a M4- God only
knows. So the next time someone is shooting at a cop from 100
meters out, we'll just wait until he runs out of ammo I guess. Haha.
Or with the proper weapon, just kill the SOB with one shot so a
stray round doesn't hit the moron that wrote this article.
When Mike Kelly, a 30 year veteran
journalist with the Record, next responds to a report of a hostile
interview in progress he should leave his battery operated, voice
activated, digital tape recorder with 256 meg of memory and up to
34 hours of recording time and a wireless mic. at the office and
take instead a number 2 pencil.
-A 41 year vet.
What ever it takes to +do your job do
it. Anyone who puts on a police uniform needs all of the protection
he can get in this day and age. Thank you.
-Lori Johnson, Fl.
Every law enforcement officer needs to
be equipped with the proper firearms to adapt and overcome any
situation that may arise. School shootings are on a rise along with
malls as well. The job of law enforcement is to serve and to
protect. That is what the police do. If you don't like
it move to Baghdad.
Who ever wrote this article needs to
go drink bleach.
An MP5 is a 9mm SMG, BIG DEAL. In
fact, that is not enough firepower. You know nothing about guns, you
are a crappy journalist, and you should resign and get into the
What I don't understand is that the
MP5 shoots 9mm rounds, they are making it sound like a belt fed
7.62x45mm fully automatic machine gun! They must not know much about
ballistics but I'm pretty sure a 9mm stray round is "safer" on the
streets to innocent civilians then a 5.56mm or a 7.62mm round, now
don't get me wrong I know it could kill but.ahhhh anyway I support
out Police Officers. Keep up the good work!
In this time and era, there are Monday
morning quarterbacks whose only desire is to criticize the police.
When the *?! hits the fan I am
expected to charge the Hill and suppress the threat by all means
I don't go into a situation thinking
that everything will be warm and fuzzy because that's when cops get
Every shots fired, armed barricaded
subject, suicidal person etc. I am expected to handle the
situation. In my department I am expected to act accordingly and
The actors could have tech 9, ak-47,
sawed-off shotgun. So what is the problem with police officers
having the same weaponry that our soldiers have? I will neutralize
any threat to the community by all means necessary and if i have the
appropriate tools then i will overwhelm the threat and always be
Gentleman if you have
them........carry them. If there's ever a situation at the Bergen
record building respond with a six shooter water gun. You can give
these reporters cannons and they still won't do the job we do.
Keep up the great work and be safe.
-North Jersey Sgt
I really hate a writer that thinks
he/she is playing it smart by acknowledging a fact such as:
experts rightly point out that cops never know what sort of mayhem
will emerge in even the most placid of places. Consider the mass
murders at various schools in recent years. In almost every case,
the killings took place in suburban or rural towns."
They then cling to the "sensational"
points that they are trying to make. How do you see the point of the
Police expert and then try to interject your own views as those the
public should embrace? Either the expert is right or he isn't!!
I don't want someone who is not doing
my job to tell me what equipment I need to do it. If this writer is
so concerned with public safety why doesn't he demand to know why
car manufacturers sell cars that will drive 200mph when there are no
speed limits over 70mph in this country? I'm guessing it's because
there's no room to spin an anti-police column out of it.
Lt. Col. Dave Grossman explained it
the best : People (civilians) are sheep, the criminals are wolves,
and yes brothers and sisters we (the police) are the sheep dogs.
The sheep don't like the sheep dog to bite them in the ass when they
wander from the pack (example: traffic violation) but when the wolf
comes the sheep call upon who? They call upon the sheep dog who
will protect them against the wolf.
If you are a sheep you believe that
the world is a utopia and nothing bad will ever happen to you. What
separates a sheep from a sheep dog is that a sheep dog knows that
the world is not perfect and the wolf will eventually show itself.
The author of this article is a sheep,
nothing more. He believes that a suburban town such as Wayne will
never fall victim to the wolf.
I am more concerned about his
distorted views and the fact that readers of his distorted views may
adopt those same views as their own.
Keep up the great work Wayne PD and
Excellent editorial - great job, NJ
Let's not forget our everyday
While Wayne is one of America's safest
communities, it is near Paterson and Newark, both of whom have
tremendous gang presence issues, as identified by the State Police
municipal gang survey. I'm sure that Wayne also has gang issues.
Wayne is also home to William Paterson University and a major
shopping mall. While the MP5 may be considered overkill by the
liberal media, I'm sure that the police department did quite a bit
of research before choosing a weapon that best suited their needs.
I read this article and I'm outraged,
appalled, even offended to an extent. This hack reporter Mike Kelly
is clearly nothing more than an outsider looking in that contributes
to the Democratic Machine that runs this state further into the
ground with every passing day. He has no idea what us officers do
day in and day out. He has no idea of what we deal with as the
first to arrive and how a situation can go from tame to nightmarish
in literally the blink of an eye.
Let’s also not forget that all of
these officers who may be called to dress in SWAT gear and carrying
these sub machine guns and assault rifles must go through extensive
and continuous training to be able to handle them. We are putting
these weapons in the hands of people that are sworn to protect and
who are trained extensively.
As cheesy as this sounds and I'm sure
you can all agree, we all took an oath on the day that we were hired
that we would protect those that cannot protect themselves. At
times, putting this oath into action requires extreme measures.
But, that’s what we train for and as officers. We must always be
ready to receive that call and take the appropriate action and to
deal with it in the way that we know how to. It's as simple as
Brothers and sisters, please stay safe
out there and take care of each other. We must continue to look
after one another because these days no one else will.
-An Annoyed Cop
Clearly, just another ignorant and
uneducated member of the media. Perhaps Wayne was listed as a safe
place to live. That’s nice. I am sure that Jonesboro, Ark.,
Littleton, Co., and every other small rural or suburban area that
had an active shooter incident, was also considered as “safe.”
He is right that we need to defend
ourselves, however, with the active shooter situation we need to be
able to quickly and safely defend others by stopping the shooter.
But to imply that we are like Rambo, come on! We don’t proactively
go out shooting others. We are the defenders of our civilized
Does it make sense to go to a gun
fight with just a handgun? No. We bring long guns, and invite all
of our “friends” with long guns. We want something fast, high
powered and with a high round capacity to stop the shooter. We also
want something intimidating, in case the shooter decides to “quit”
before we have to end it. The MP5 is an ideal weapon for that.
As to Wayne – it’s a large township
with many malls, schools, shopping centers, businesses, and
residences. It’s close to some cities; Paterson, Clifton, Passaic,
and Newark come to mind. While ANY location has the potential for
violence, I’d say Wayne has odds stacked against it already.
I would suggest that Mr. Kelly read
some of the writings by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman about combat, war,
etc. As he says, police are warriors and this Country is at war.
He speaks the truth.
- North NJ Sgt.
"You have to love the secular
progressive democrat liberals of New Jersey. It's just not
surprising anymore."... Couldn't say it better myself bro. How about
the guy that just shot up the council meeting down south?? Bet that
was a smaller town then Wayne, and for that matter most towns in NJ.
Just goes to show, you never know what you're going to face, and no
matter what we do we'll always be criticized. Why do they even
bother giving us guns anymore??? God forbid we defend ourselves; the
way we were trained to, we'll only lose our jobs thanks to the
liberals. These people make me sick.
-A pissed off cop
I really can't say more than you guys
said. Great response from NJLawman here...
First of all, would this moron
reporter criticize a small town contractor for owning heavy duty
construction equipment? NO
But a Police Officer owning an
automatic weapon???? Oh my God... He must be some Rambo wannabe.
As I always say. Better to have a tool
and not need it, than need it and not have it. Great job by NJLawman
illustrating this point by bringing up the Columbine incident and
all the criticism of the first responders there.
As far as this quote from the article,
"The irony is that the growth of suburban SWAT units and their
high-tech weapons came at a time when citizens were crying out for
cops to get out of their cars more often and engage in face-to-face,
non-threatening community policing."
--My two cents on this nonsense. I am all for community policing,
and treating the public with respect. But sometimes I can't hop out
and talk, and I can't wave to everyone walking down the street
because I have a job to do. My job is to keep people safe. It is not
to be "your" friend. I might not always come off as a great guy, but
if you're being held at gunpoint, do you want me to be trained and
equipped to take that person out or do you want me to a friendly,
smiling warm individual who stops to shoot the breeze with every
passerby in the local strip mall?
The best part of this article (for
demonstrating how dumb the author is) is that despite all the
criticism of this dept for outfitting officers with MP5's it cites
testimony that supports police officers carrying automatic weapons
in this paragraph, "Police firearms experts rightly point out that
cops never know what sort of mayhem will emerge in even the most
placid of places. Consider the mass murders at various schools in
recent years. In almost every case, the killings took place in
suburban or rural towns."
So this dipshit condemns something in
his entire article but includes an entire paragraph supporting the
point that he is arguing against. I hope he knows what would happen
to me as a police officer if I exhibited such incompetence, I'd lose
my job. Hopefully one day he does too.
As always, stay safe everyone.
As a P.O. and a strong opposition of
the press, I hate to say that I somewhat agree. Yes, we never know
what will erupt and being outpowered is something we can't let
happen, but why in the world do we need to carry heavier armament
than our troops carry in through the streets of Baghdad. Let's be a
little realistic guys, an m-4 will provide you with plenty of
firepower in any combat related situation.
I used to work for Wayne Township and
now I work in the city of Newark. How hard does anyone think it is
for one of these outstanding citizens, a.k.a. gang members or
lifelong criminals, to hop on a bus or take a train down to the
Willowbrook mall and start poppin off some rounds if they feel like
it. I know for a fact that a lot of Wayne's shoplifting arrests are
made from citizens with Newark addresses. That being said, do Wayne
cops not deal with the same dirt bags that Newark does? Of course
they do, but it's not unlikely for Newark ERT to pull up on scene
and hop out with assault rifles. Talk about receiving instantaneous
respect at a scene. Wayne has a bunch of lakes too...maybe having a
marine unit trained to rescue is too much like the seals too...don't
worry boys, your job doesn't go unappreciated!!!
Don't forget Wayne has Willowbrook
Mall, as well as many other shopping centers...do you think there is
enough time to muster a Response Team to respond to an active
shooter in the mall?
What if you, Mr. Mike Kelly, were in
the mall with your family shopping when this happens?? I think your
going to want that first Officer on scene to have a reasonable
defense. I used to work security in the mall before I went into L.E.
and I know that is the last thing those Officers in Wayne ever want
to hear, and a weapon they never want to use, but when it happens
they'll be ready(and it will happen, I hate to say it).
Wayne PD is an elite dept. in NJ and
is just another target on the media's L.E. Dartboard. Be
Rated the "most dangerous city in the
country", we very much need weapons like these in the City of
Camden. Our rinky dink Rugers are no match for the high powered
weapons that we pull off the street each end every day. Please don't
give into the liberal a-holes who armchair quarterback when things
are in hindsight. You are prepared and that is the Bottom Line.
Be Safe, Sincerely,
-The Savage Hunter....
You have to love the secular
progressive democrat liberals of New Jersey. It's just not
I believe that it is a mistake to not
respond to these articles with the appropriate factual information
regarding the use, and potential need for this type of weaponry.
Sure there are the extreme left, liberal types that will never get
it, but most of these are anti-authority of any kind, and they
usually reveal themselves as such to more than just the police.
There are also a great many reasonable
people who are uninformed, and have little else to go on besides
what they are exposed to via media. For the sake of these people we
should be present the argument for our methods as emphatically as
our detractors bash us. The unfortunate violent events that happen
somewhere in this country on an almost weekly basis illustrate the
need for police to have SWAT capabilities better than any argument
any of us could write.
"The irony is that the
growth of suburban SWAT units and their high-tech weapons came at a
time when citizens were crying out for cops to get out of their cars
more often and engage in face-to-face, non-threatening community
Police are forced into a position
where they have to just ignore their critics, and their rhetoric.
They will always look at law enforcement as little more than a guard
dog. They want the dog docile, submissive, and out of the way. Do
not bark. Do not show teeth. Wear a bow. Be cute.
As for the 'non-threatening community
policing' thing...I could think of no one this benefits more than
the criminal. Police should conduct themselves as professionals with
the public obviously, but an element of intimidation (force of
presence is on the use of force scale in this state for a reason) is
a tool in the box. We wear military style uniforms, tight haircuts
(usually), body armor, and openly carry weapons. If you keep
yourself in shape, that only adds to the cards that are stacked
against you as far as not looking intimidating.
We could always switch to Dockers,
golf shirts, and concealed weapons for patrol. We could then adopt a
philosophy of non-stop friendliness, and giving warnings for any
violations of law, but while all the liberal critics would be
happier (maybe) would this be a benefit to society, or to the
criminals that prey on society? Would this increase public safety,
or benefit those that who care little for the safety of others?
Amen. The record has done this for
years and will continue to do so. I hope everyone starts showing
them the same respect they give us.
Its unbelievable how those who know
nothing about what they speak of love to rant and complain, its
I am a police officer in the NYPD.
When I read this I was appalled.
What bothers me is the writer said
Wayne is the safest suburban area in the 2005. Well correct me if I
am wrong but I think Littleton, Colorado was one of the safest as
well. Columbine and just recently the Omaha mall shooter changed
A handgun is not a weapon you want to
go in these situations with when the gunman themselves are carrying
assault rifles. What bothers me is the writer is attacking and
spending too much energy on the wrong group (police officers). What
he should be writing about is how we need tougher gun laws.
Look at 2008 alone. Within the past
week a kid opened fire in LA killed his father and two brothers and
a decorated LAPD SWAT member. Then that same day a gun man opened
fire on a small SUBURBAN town council meeting killing two officers
and three others people and wounding others. Kirkwood hits home a
little more because it's similarity to Wayne.
The problem is not the Wayne Police
department. The problem is there is too many guns on the streets of
this country and police departments everywhere including Wayne need
the firepower to stop the force when it comes there way.
Be Safe out there, everyone!
NJ no longer has the death penalty, NJ makes a tax paying citizen wait
up to 6 moths to purchase a hand gun because we think he’s a criminal
but criminal dont have to wait to own an AK 47 or an MP-5. We are one of
he highest taxed and most expensive states to live in our police dept
are under paid & under staffed & we are know for the best drugs in the
county. So let’s let all the democrats run NJ so the can get richer and
double dip in the pension fund and not give our police depts What they
need. Hell lets close all the jails who needs them.